15-01 Minutes Executive Minutes

January 21, 2015 2015-1




The Lambton Presbytery Executive met at its regular scheduled meeting at Dunlop United

Church. The meeting was constituted at 1:34 p.m. with a quorum present. Chair Adam Kilner

opened the meeting, saying “In the name of Jesus, the one true head of the Church, and by the

authority vested in me as Lambton Presbytery Chair, I now declare this meeting constituted for

the transaction of such business as may properly come before it.”


Moved by Marilyn Townsend-Smith, seconded by Sandra Fogarty and carried that the

agenda be accept with the addition of a nomination report.


Pat Whitton, Sandra Fogarty, Pete Brennan, Ann Carr, John Yates, Adam Kilner, Marilyn

Towsend-Smith, Nancy Andrews

Regrets: Connie Ellis, Susan Woodhouse, Nick Monsour

Guests: Rev. Rob Dalgleish and Joanne Rose, both of Edge

CORRESPONDENCE ( See Appendix 2015: 4-5 )

The secretary read a letter from the auditor, Dona Hyatt. (See Appendix 2015: 7 )

Moved by Marilyn Townsend-Smith, seconded by Ann Carr and carried that the audit be


CONSENT DOCKET ( See Appendix 2015: 6 )

Moved by John Yates, seconded by Marilyn Townsend-Smith and carried that the Consent

Docket be accepted as distributed.


Rev. Rob Dalgleish of Edge made a presentation on the Edge Program, Loving God, Loving

Neighborhood. Edge is a United Church network for new ministry development and renewal.

He said that the Comprehensive Review Task Force identified 1,000 United Church that will be

facing redevelopment in the next five to seven years. He said there was a huge advantage of

looking at the issue of property at a regional or neighborhood level. He said he hears horror

stories about the squandering of the church legacy because of lack of information or the fact that

it has not been explored thoroughly. Billions of dollars are at stake, he said. At times, property

has been given away or redevelopment has been done badly. He said in the past churches may

not have had the resources to make decisions in an informed way. He said it is all about

connection, collaboration and community. The United Church theology tells us that we are

church when we work together for mission, he said. “It is about being present in the community

through place.” He said membership in churches – not just United Churches – has been going

straight down since the mid-60s. He said there are ways that churches hide the serious crisis they

are face, such as through deficit budgets and fantasy budgets. “We are failing to look at the

reality,” he said. He said the box, book and preacher model isn’t working. Presbyteries need to

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ask themselves before they give grants to churches, or close churches how this furthers the

missional vision of the church which is loving God, loving neighbor. Rev. Dalgleish said that

sometimes the community is more aware of the value of the church than its members. He

suggested that congregations have a community leaders’ round table and unexpected resources

can come from it – both money and ideas. The church is richly gifted with real estate and he

wishes that churches had half as much imagination as developers. He said God is renewing

communities and we are invited to be a part of it. He said the professionals that Edge provides

have no financial stake in the outcome.

He talked about discipleship and how clergy and laypeople need to be trained in this new way of

being church.

The Executive discussed the cost of the various aspects of the program. The Pastoral Oversight

Division had invited Edge to speak to the executive after a review of the annual reports indicated

that 15 of the 23 churches in the presbytery were likely to be in financial difficulties in the near

future. The executive decided that some information would be helpful for presbyters to have

when they are deciding if they want to proceed further with the program.

Moved by Marilyn Townsend-Smith, seconded by Pete Brennan and carried that the Edge

be invited to the next Presbytery meeting on February 19, 2015 to present a summary of

Loving God, Loving Neighborhood and that we ask the Pastoral Oversight Division, POD

to pay for the presbytery scan in the amount of $1,000.


Moved by Sandra Fogarty, seconded by Marilyn Townsend-Smith and defeated that Dona

Hyatt be appointed auditor for the year 2015.

Moved by Ann Carr, seconded by Sandra Fogarty and carried that Stewardship Oversight

Division seek a qualified CPA to audit the financial records of Lambton Presbytery for

2015 and into the future.


Marilyn Townsend-Smith reported that Adam Kilner agreed to continue as chair of Lambton

Presbytery at the rise of Conference for 2015-2016.

Pastoral Relations Committee

Moved by Marilyn Townsend-Smith, seconded by Pat Whitton and carried that Blair

Corcoran be appointed supervisor for Port Lambton Pastoral Charge.

Pastoral Oversight Motion – Not available

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Comprehensive Review Timeline

The report should be released the week of Easter and church boards/councils will have a chance

to submit responses to the presbytery and subsequently to Conference. The executive discussed

holding a meeting in May, 2015 to allow such discussion and the presentation of any proposals.

The executive agreed that the matter could be discussed at the next Presbytery meeting on Feb.

19, 2015.


Moved by Marilyn Townsend-Smith and carried that the meeting of the Executive of

Lambton Presbytery be adjourned. The meeting was adjourned at 4:30 p.m.



Dec. 10, 2014 New Growth Initiative Fund: Inwood Community Meal Executive

Dec. 11, 2014 Forms to Declare a Vacancy: Wilkesport Filed

Dec. 12, 2014 Request from the Theologies of Disability Working

Dec. 12, 2014 Financial Issues GD

Dec. 14, 2014 Agenda for Presbytery Executive on Dec. 15, 2014 Executive

Dec. 14, 2014 LC: Request for Report Book, Deadline: February 17,

Dec. 15, 2014 High Park Resolution Giving Consent LC, chair

Dec. 15, 2014 Final budget and assessment documents Filed

Dec. 15, 2014 Draft Minutes of Presbytery Executive on Dec. 15, 2014

Dec. 16, 2014 LC: Appointment for Val Pitt Pitt

Dec. 16, 2014 Correction of Draft Minutes re: Declare a Vacancy LC, Betty Page,

Dec. 16, 2014 Hark Card 2014 GD

Dec. 16, 2014 Name of Treasurer for Pastoral Charge GD

Dec. 17, 2014 Illustrated story of children’s time GD

Dec. 17, 2014 GC: God’s Mission, Our Gifts, Mission and Service GD

Dec. 18, 2014 LC: Sacraments Policy Revised Filed

Dec. 19, 2014 Mission for Mission Aamjiwnaang GD

Dec. 19, 2014 Change the world through Gifts with Vision GD

Dec. 23, 2014 GC: Discontinued Service Lists Filed

Dec. 23, 2014 GC: updated Discontinued Service List Filed

Dec. 29, 2014 Flyers for Upcoming Transitions in Caregiving

Dec. 30, 2014 Minutes for Kent Presbytery December meeting Filed

Jan. 4, 2015 Items for executive meeting agenda Filed

Jan. 7, 2015 Year-end GD

Jan. 8, 2015 Conflict Resolution Facilitators Workshop Filed

Jan. 8, 2015 GC: Call for Stewards for 42nd General Council GD

Jan. 9, 2015 Annual General Meeting for Lambton United Camp

Jan. 9, 2015 Request for Djembe Drum GD

Jan. 12, 2015 LC: March Bridge Deadline, January 19, 2014 GD

Jan. 13, 2015 Kent Minutes Filed

Jan. 13, 2015 LC: Report request for Report Book: Deadline Feb. 17, Executive

Group 2015 Education Centre

Jan. 13, 2015 London Conference Newsletter link on website GD

Jan. 13, 2015 Draft Minutes of the December Executive Meeting GD

Jan. 13, 2015 Lambton United Camp Centre annual meeting GD

Jan. 14, 2015 LC: Latest from LoCo GD

Jan. 15, 2015 GC: God’s Mission, Our Gifts: Stewardship, Mission and

Jan. 15, 2015 Correction of Draft Minutes of the December Executive

Jan. 16, 2015 Request for Transfer Forwarded chair

Jan. 16, 2015 Revised flyer for Lambton United Church Centre GD

Jan. 16, 2015 Five Oaks Centre newsletter GD

Notices & Events for General Distribution

 Roast Pork Dinner on January 18, 2014 at Camlachie United Church

 Rebuilding for Peace by Dr. Jeff Harper on January 20, 2015 at Kings University

College, 266 Epworth Avenue, London

 Girl Rising at the Sarnia Justice Film Festival on January 17 at Sarnia Library Theatre.

 Annual meeting of Lambton Centre at Camlachie United Church on January 25, 2015



A CONSENT DOCKET contains motions that are not likely to require discussion. If

anyone wishes to discuss an item it will be removed from the Consent Docket and placed

on the Discussion Docket. If anyone has a question for clarification about an item on the

Consent Docket it will be answered if possible with a brief explanation. The item may be

put on the Discussion Docket at the Chairperson’s discretion.

The following are basic facilitating motions for the meeting:

(A) THAT all VISITORS be made CORRESPONDING MEMBERS (which means that

visitors are invited to speak but DO NOT HAVE A VOTE.)

(B) THAT the ROLL CALL be those who signify their attendance by legibly signing the

attendance sheets (The Secretary will list any names that have been received for Regrets

(C) THAT all MINUTES of Lambton Presbytery Executive pages 2013-68 to 2013-73

and 2013- 91 to 2013-92 be accepted as printed.

(D) THAT all MOTIONS be written clearly or typed for the Secretary.

(E) THAT all REPORTS be written clearly or typed for inclusion in the Minutes.

A motion will be received to accept the Consent Docket in its entirety unless someone

has requested that an item be moved to the Discussion Docket to allow discussion. The

remainder will be accepted as one item.



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