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Lambton Presbytery met on April 10, 2014 at Oil Springs United Church. A chicken dinner was served by members of Oil Springs United. Rev. Jim White led the worship with the message on “Our On-Going Challenge”.

The Chair, Carolyn Wilson Wynne opened the regular meeting with a quorum present at 6 p.m. She led with prayer and then declared, “In the name of Jesus Christ, the one true Head of the Church, I declare this meeting of London Presbytery open for the transaction of business, as may properly come before it.”


Louise Hall said she appreciated the fact that presbytery had two candidates willing to serve as chair. She said this was the first time the presbytery has had an election in her many years of involvement. She invited the two nominees Adam Kilner and Matthew Stevens to speak for three minutes. In a secret ballot, Adam Kilner, minister of Dunlop United, was elected chair.


Moved by Louise Hall, seconded by Pat Begarnie and carried that the ballots be destroyed.


Moved by Doug Wright, seconded by Bill Milliken and carried that the Consent Docket be approved as printed.


Moved by Pat Whitton, seconded by Mary Anne McFarlane, and carried that the agenda be approved as amended with the addition of a Motion under New Business and the elimination of the London Conference Executive Report.


Ministry Personnel: Jim Breen, Susan Browning, Blair Corcoran, David Dyke, Connie Ellis, Sandra Fogarty, Christine Jerrett, Adam Kilner, Mary Anne MacFarlane, Wendy Milliken, Dan Mulema, Betty Jean Page, Jill Rogers, Matthew Stevens, Marilyn Townsend-Smith, Janet Uren, Carey Wagner, Carolyn Wilson Wynne, Susan Woodhouse, Doug Wright, Joseph Wynne, Jim White. Regrets: Pat Morrison, Brad Morrison, Doug Greenough.

Lay Representatives: Susan Barnetson, Laurie Beatty, Betty Begarnie, Pat Begarnie, Pete Brennan, Margaret Cameron, Gillian Ewing, Nora Gibson, Anne Gilliland, Marilyn Grant, Louise Hall, Marion Henderson, Wilma Johnson, Jim Johnson, Norm MacPherson, Madeline

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McCaw, Elizabeth McDonald, Bill Millikin, Nick Monsour, Margaret Perry, Jack Prouse, Joy Smith, Pat Whitton, John Yates, Nancy Andrews. Regrets: Diane Anderson-Robinson, Ward Armitage, Ida Burley, Ann Carr, Jim Louks

Guests: Erin Greeno, of the United Church of Canada’s Central Ontario Archives, Cheryl-Ann Stadelbaurer-Sampa, executive secretary of London Conference.

CORRESPONDENCE (See pages) As printed.


Erin Greeno, the Archivist for the Central Ontario Archives of the United Church of Canada, spoke about the importance of maintaining church records as they tell the history of our communities and otherwise those histories can be lost. She said that when the records were made no one thought of the power of those records. She spoke about their importance in the Truth and Reconciliation Process. She said the Archives are open to the public four days a week. Presbyters asked many questions about the archives and some were surprised to learn that the records are kept in hard copies and are not digitalized. Erin Greeno said that it would take 60 years to digitalize the existing records. She was asked about what the strangest things that she discovered in the archives. She said they have items from missionaries, including bottles that everyone is afraid to open. She said that she hopes to find a proper home for them in the future. She said the Archives have some John Wesley letters and a missing letter was recently found in someone’s grandfather’s chest. She said that some people have a hard time parting with their church’s records so that they can be entered into the Archives. She said sending them to the Archives allows them to be seen by a greater number of people and will protect them for years to come. Nick Monsour agreed to continue to be the liaison between the presbytery and the archives. He said he was willing to take materials to the Archives when he is going to Toronto. Erin Greeno left folders with handouts for members of the presbytery. Nick Monsour thanked Erin Greeno for coming to speak to the presbytery.


Lambton Presbyterian United Church Women Nora Gibson spoke on behalf of Ann Carr.

The annual meeting was held at Dunlop United Church. Its theme speaker was Rev. Kristin Oliver, of St. Paul’s Anglican Church, Point Edward. She used Jesus’ parable of the Sower to expand on the theme of the day, “We Have an Anchor”. The offering of over $500 was

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designated to Community Living Sarnia-Lambton to help with the furnishings for Habitat for Humanity’s Euphemia home. Susan Campbell, of Huron-Perth Resource Centre, brought books and resources and highlighted them in a brief talk. Connie Ellis shared news of the Lambton United Church Centre and Carolyn Wilson Wynne brought greetings from Lambton Presbytery. The day ended with the installation of the 2014 executive which included incoming president, Ann Carr.

Upcoming events are: Ladies Day Out at the Lambton United Church Centre on May 14, 2014; May 18, 2014meeting at London Road West for a talk on a trip to the Dominican Republic by members of Courtright United; Sept. 16, 2014- Fall Outing with Rob and Keiko Witmer. Location to be determined; Nov. 26, 2014 – St. Paul’s United, Sarnia; March 25, 2015 Annual Meeting 2014.


Moved by Sandra Fogarty, seconded by John Yates and carried, a recommendation of the Growth Fund Committee that Shiloh-Inwood United Church be granted a total of $5,000 from the New Growth Fund to be divided in payments of $2,500 in 2014, and $1,250 for 2,015 and 2016 providing a report is received annually regarding the progress and continuation of the Shiloh-Inwood Community Meal Project. Absention: Susan Woodhouse


As a follow-up to the presentation by Val Pitt and Carey Wagner last month, Carey Wagner had handouts regarding the boycott of goods manufactured in Israeli-occupied West Bank communities.

“Going Beyond Words” Event Pat Whitton said she was having difficulty with emailing the flyers for the upcoming event on June 3, 2014. She will be sending it out again.


Education and Students Committee Susan Woodhouse

London Conference Education and Students met on March 28, 2014 and interviewed candidates David Exley and Colin Snyder. Mid-term Clinical Pastoral Education reports were received for Mary Fletcher and the committee met via conference call. An interview has been scheduled for Mary Fletcher on April 25, 2014 in Talbotville to receive the final CPE report and to make a decision with regards to her ordination in May, 2014. The next Conference Education and Students Committee meets September 26, 2014.

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Other news includes:

  •   Leadership development module at the Centre for Christian Studies will be held at Calvary United, London June 9-21, 2014. http://ccsonline.ca/program/leadership- development/

  •   Calling Lakes has given notice of closing its operation. http://www.callinglakes.ca The scheduled June, 2014 learning circle will still take place at Calling Lakes. Operations for Designated Lay Ministry education will continue through offsite programming, where feasible and visioning is ongoing.

  •   New designated lay minister handbook is available as of January, 2014. http://www.united-church.ca/files/handbook/dlm.pdf

    Susan Woodhouse will be on sabbatical September to November, 2014. Rev. Jim Breen has agreed to convene Lambton Education and StudentsCommittee during this time and will attend London Conference Education and Students on September 26, 2014 at Colborne Street United, London.

    Annual interviews for the licensed lay worship leaders will be scheduled before July, 2014 and take place in September for renewal of licenses at the Presbytery meeting on September 18, 2014.

    Proposed Constitution for Central United, Sarnia Marilyn Townsend-Smith reported that the proposal was deferred to the Executive or the June meeting.

    Pastoral Relations- Carey Wagner

Moved by Carey Wagner, seconded by Doug Wright and carried that Valerie Pitt be

transferred from Waterloo Presbytery Hamilton Conference to Lambton Presbytery London Conference effective April 10, 2014.

Moved by Carey Wagner, seconded by Susan Woodhouse and carried that Brenda

MacMain be appointed pastoral supervisor and accompanier to the Effective Leadership Process at St Clair United Church effective April 10, 2014.

Moved by Carey Wagner, seconded by Jill Rogers and carried that Connie Ellis be retained on the roll of Lambton Presbytery as a lay member as of the end of her appointment as a Designated Lay Minister effective July 1, 2014. Abstention: Connie Ellis


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Mission and Services Report Wilma Johnson
Wilma Johnson read a letter of congratulations from Cheryl Curtis, of the Mission and Service

Fund, regarding the $292,031 raised by London Conference in 2013. She also showed the Presbytery the Certificate of Thanksgiving that was signed by the Right Rev. Gary Paterson, moderator of the United Church. The letter said that the Conference raised $2,496,018 out of a national total of $28,028,500. The letter said that “The generosity of the people of Lambton Presbytery enables a strong annual Mission and Service Fund.” Cheryl Curtis said together we support ongoing ministries and sustain trusted partnerships for the healing of world, specifically . 96 global partners in 28 countries acting for peace and justice

. community and justice work across Canada with 76 community ministries and 44 chaplaincies.

theological education and ministry support at six theological schools and four education centres

. faith formation and leadership support for over 100 outreach programs for youth . leadership in the 13 conferences .grants for 102 congregations in transition

Wilma Johnson encouraged pastoral charges to send in their Mission and Service Objective forms as soon as possible if they have not done so. She asked presbyters to continue to promote Mission and Service by using the Minute for Mission as often as possible. She urged churches to use PAR as it really helps churches know what funds are coming in. Wilma Johnson quoted the United Church website which says: “The M & S Fund represents our collective way to be God’s presence in the world to be the church, to love and serve, to seek justice, to live with respect in creation. It gives us a collective voice in advocating change, justice and peace, whether through the Canadian government or in work with our ecumenical partners. The M & S Fund ensures that we are participating together in all of this work and more.” She said that she hopes that presbyters will consider that when deciding how much to give.

Treasurer’s Report – John Yates

Treasurer John Yates gave a brief report on the presbytery’s financial situation. He said all the assessments have been paid for the first quarter, as of yesterday. He said it is an improvement

from last year. He said the previous treasurer is still getting payments, so he advised presbyters to contact their church office to insure that the computer has his address and does not still have the former address.

Moved by Connie Ellis, seconded by Jim Johnson and carried that churches that are closing be required to pay the assessment for closing year plus 3 more years "current year plus 3".

Moved by Mary Anne MacFarlane, seconded by Madeline McCaw and carried that Lambton United Church name John Yates, treasurer, as a member-at-large of Lambton

Presbytery and also as a Presbytery delegate to the annual meeting of Conference with fees to be covered by the presbytery effective July 1, 2014. Abstention by John Yates.

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Request to Disband Warwick United: A question was asked about the request for disbanding that came from Warwick United Church. The Presbytery was told that the committee had misread the letter and had not dealt with it. Chair Carolyn Wilson Wynne said that the request

could come to an emergency meeting of the executive or could wait until the June meeting.

Moved by Louise Hall, seconded by Doug Wright and carried that having been appointed by their pastoral charges, the following persons be nominated by Lambton Presbytery to attend the London Conference Annual Meeting in London: Bill Milliken, Ida Burley, Susan Barnetson, Diane Anderson-Robinson, Gillian Ewing, Jack Prouse, Lloyd Belan, Marion Henderson, John Yates, Joyce McMaster, Nancy Andrews, Betty Begarnie, Pat Begarnie,

Ruth Leitch, Jim Johnson, Madeline McCaw, Janice Rising, Allison McLaren, Ann Carr.

Moved by Louise Hall, seconded by Carey Wagner and carried that Nora Gibson be appointed a member-at-large of Lambton Presbytery.


Louise Hall reported that the positions for children at London Conference will soon be filled. She encouraged people to get in their registrations for conference. She said she has started a book written by Diana Butler-Bass, the guest speaker at conference and she encouraged presbyters to read it before conference as they would get more out of her talk. She said her book is easy to read, insightful and she would recommend it.



Susan Browning presented a resolution. She began by quoting Micah 6:8 as follows: He has told you, O mortal, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God

Whereas, the new creed calls us to seek justice;

Whereas, the length of trial time for court cases that proceed through the Canadian Provincial Justice System significantly delays their resolution;
Whereas, our former Executive Secretary, The Reverend David Woodall, was dismissed without cause three and a half years prior to the completion of his trial;

Whereas, the resolution of the trial was a verdict of “not guilty”;
Whereas, many Canadian employers suspend employees with pay while awaiting trial, holding to the principle of innocent until proven guilty;
Whereas, substantial financial burden was placed upon David and his family at a time when significant court costs were incurred;
Whereas, any criminal charge against a member of the Order of Ministry has extensive repercussions on them living out the vocation to which they have been called;

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Therefore, be it resolved, that London Conference provide financial restitution to enable The Reverend David Woodall to recover legal costs to defend himself against criminal charges that were laid while he was an employee of the United Church of Canada.

Discussion was held as to whether there should be a limit placed on the amount. We were told that other ministers in the same period in London Conference were in the same position, of having been dismissed without pay and then being found not guilty. It was pointed out that this resolution does not deal with policy and the need to change policy if this is considered unjust. Cheryl-Ann Stadelbauer-Sampa, the executive secretary of London Conference, told the presbytery that she would encouraged the court to look at more than one specific case. She said we could be confident that further discussion will be held at Conference level about the resolution.

Moved by Susan Browning, seconded by Doug Wright and carried that the that London Conference provide financial restitution to enable The Reverend David Woodall to recover legal costs to defend himself against criminal charges that were laid while he was an employee of the United Church of Canada.


Chair, Carolyn Wilson Wynne spoke about her two years as presbytery chair, saying that during that time you have given attention to the justice issues I’ve raised during my first theme year, Just Relate and this year’s Let’s Get Messy! I have urged you to figure ways to relate to those with mental illness, particularly the youth, I’ve raised issued around the reality of women in 21st century Canada and a bunch of others things too.

I want this, my final reflection as Chair, to close the circle so I end where I began urging a commitment to relationships that are caring and just with everyone you encounter of course, but especially with the First Nation, Metis and Inuit people of this country. When I was first installed as chair we were a couple of weeks away from the dedication of the memorial to the children who attended the United Church run Residential School in Mount Elgin; some of us made ourselves available to the survivors of the school as we sat in the tent designated for church representatives. It was for me an unsettling experience waiting for elderly women and men to seek us out in their search for reconciliation. It was also a holy time, standing where oppression of the most vulnerable had been lived out, and where our presence offered hope of a change in attitude and understanding of the sacredness of all human life.

At that time I dreamed of chartering a bus and transporting as many of this Presbytery as could fit on that bus...and I dared to dream that one bus wouldn’t be enough...to the Memorial so that as we gazed upon and dared to touch the engraved names we would grasp the impact of the schools in some concrete way. Well, it never happened; I take responsibility for that. But it isn’t too late! That’s the Good News. We could still make a pilgrimage for that is what it needs be, a

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holy trek to a sacred space where we face the reality of bad theology and racism. I pray we dare to make this happen.

Just scant weeks ago the final TRC ( Truth and Reconciliation Commission) gathering happened as you know in Edmonton. People from this Conference journeyed therePresident Phil Newman, Executive Secretary Cheryl-Ann Stadelbauer-Sampa and survivor Geraldine Robertson who as a wee girl attended that school at Mt. Elgin as well as the Mush Holethe name the children gave itin Brantford. I am thankful for the wisdom that has had me sit and listen to Geraldine’s story and the stories of other elders from Aamjiwnaang as they courageously shared their experiences. I affirm their courage because speaking of their time in the schools stirs up anger and pain; it is important for you and I to hear but it is imperative we acknowledge the cost.

At this time there are approximately 80,000 survivors of Residential School in this country; 20 or so live in Aamjiwnaang and have links to St. Clair United Church. That gives you and I a tremendous opportunity, to build a relationship based on trust and compassion with a commitment to reconciliation. It is not something out there, another program of our General Council but an opening to another way, RIGHT HERE!

To that end, the Right Relations Committee of London Conference, Lambton Presbytery through Mission Oversight Division, MOD and St. Clair United Church have planned an event that will open our hearts and minds to the reality of Indian Residential Schoolselders have told me to name it as such because that is what they wereand the political, theological and cultural climate that enabled the racism inherent in the systemand which still continues.

A notice has gone out...a couple of times actually, and another is planned so please watch for it and make the commitment to acts of reconciliation. As I sat at a table with elders earlier this week...yesterday, actually...and asked if participating in educational events were acts, I was told definitely yes! So please consider participating on TUESDAY, JUNE 3, 2014 at Maawn Doosh Gumig, the Youth and Community Centre in Aamjiwnaang, beginning at 5 pm.

Justice seeking is messy. The reality of Indian Residential Schools makes it particularly so because the story is ours, yours and mine, and we have to let go of long-learned historic inaccuracies and accept our culture’s role in the attempted decimation of another.

The rewards of reconciliation will be experienced by all involved. It is for our native brothers and sisters and it is for each of us who dare to live the Way of the Jesus.

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Carolyn Wilson Wynne was thanked and given a round of applause for her leadership as chair in the last two years.

Carolyn Wilson Wynne closed the meeting with prayer and thanked the members of Oil Springs United for preparing the dinner, Jim White for leading worship, and Erin Greeno for her talk. Meeting was adjourned at 8:45 p.m.

Moved by Nick Monsour, seconded by Jill Rogers and carried that the Lambton Presbytery meeting be adjourned.



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A CONSENT DOCKET contains motions that are not likely to require discussion. If anyone wishes to discuss an item it will be removed from the Consent Docket and placed on the Discussion Docket. If anyone has a question for clarification about an item on the Consent Docket it will be answered if possible with a brief explanation. The item may be put on the Discussion Docket at the Chairperson’s discretion.

The following are basic facilitating motions for the meeting:

  1. THAT the ROLL CALL be those who signify their attendance by legibly signing the attendance sheets (The Secretary will list any names that have been received for Regrets on the Attendance Sheet).

  2. THATallVISITORSbemadeCORRESPONDINGMEMBERS (which means that visitors are invited to speak but DO NOT HAVE A VOTE.)

  3. THATallLICENCEDLAYWORSHIPLEADERSbemade CORRESPONDING MEMBERS and receive all Presbytery Correspondence.

  4. THAT all MINUTES of Lambton Presbytery pages 2014-10 to 2014- 22 are accepted as printed.

  5. THAT the CORRESPONDENCE be distributed to and dealt with by the Committee or Division as per the CORRESPONDENCE RECEIVED listed in the Minutes of Lambton Presbytery.

  6. THAT the Court waives use of a BALLOT for Pastoral Relations motions UNLESS REQUESTED by any one voting member.

  7. THAT all MOTIONS be written clearly or typed for the Secretary.

  8. THAT all REPORTS be written clearly or typed for inclusion in the


  9. THAT the EXECUTIVE of Lambton Presbytery is granted POWERS

    of PRESBYTERY for necessary business, upon this meeting’s adjournment until the next meeting of Lambton Presbytery.

A motion will be received to accept that Consent Docket in its entirety unless someone has requested that an item be moved to the DISCUSSION Docket to allow discussion. The remainder will be accepted as one item.

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March 18, 2014 March 19, 2014 March 20, 2014 March 20, 2014 March 20, 2014 March 20, 2014

March 21, 2014 March 21, 2014

March 21, 2014 March 24, 2014

March 24, 2014 March 24, 2014

March 25, 2014 March 25, 2014 March 26, 2014 March 27, 2014 March 27, 2014

March 27, 2014 March 27, 2014 March 28, 2014

March 28, 2014 March 28, 2014 March 29, 2014 March 29, 2014 March 30, 2014 March 31, 2014 March 31, 2014 March 31, 2014

FW: Victim Services Offering Workshop Effective Leadership Test Pilot Documents for LC Information requested re: appointment
LC: Phone number requested
LC: Retained on the roll information
Mission and Service Update for Presbyteries and Conferences
LC: Retained on the roll information revised Presbytery Handbook as amended in November, 2013
Information requested by Blackwell United
GC: Information requested about Point Edward- Blackwell Pastoral Charge

LC: Request for information regarding churches that are sharing space with another denomination Forwarded Retained on the Roll document for Christine Jerrett

Re: Transfer into Presbytery
GC: Signing a Pledge for Universal Medicare Kent Minutes
LC: Truth and Reconciliation
Information sought re: voting of corresponding member
National Day of Action March 31, 2014
LC: Truth and Reconciliation Commission Request to disband

LC: Truth and Reconciliation report
LC: Latest from LoCo
LC: Training Institute Update
LC: Truth and Reconciliation report
LC: Truth and Reconciliation Report
LC: Truth and Reconciliation Report
Follow-up to the Truth and Reconciliation
GC: News Release on Bank Executives’ Salaries

Sent to LC Replied Replied Filed

Filed Filed

Forwarded to Pastoral Oversight, John Yates

Forwarded to LC

Follow-up required GD


Forwarded to chair of presbytery, pastoral relations GD

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Notices & Activities for General Distribution

  •   Ham and Scalloped Potato Supper at Dunlop United on Sunday, May 4, 2014

  •   Trivia Afternoon at St. Paul’s United Church on March 29, 2014

  •   Jazz Concert at Grace United Church on April 27, 2014

  •   Spring Fashion Show at Grace United on

  •   Retirement celebration for Bonnie Elliott, administrator at St. Paul’s United, Petrolia, on April 27, 2014

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March 31, 2014

Mission and Service: Certificate of Thanksgiving

April meeting

April 1, 2014

Events calendar on the presbytery website


April 1, 2014

Training video on Posting to the Presbytery calendar


Sarnia Justice Film presents The Gatekeepers, a film about Israel's security agency, on

March 22, 2014 at Sarnia Library Theatre

Spring Rummage/Garage Sale at Central United Church on April 11 & 12, 2014

April 9, 2014

Rapper D. O. to lead worship and speak about bullying on April 13, 2014 at Brigden


Dofasco Male Choir at Central United Church on April 27, 2014 

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